[visionlist] [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations

Bart Farell bfarell at gmail.com
Fri Apr 29 12:18:35 -05 2022


'and none of them *was* removed' (haha)


Bart

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd, James via cvnet <
cvnet at lawton.ewind.com> wrote:

> When I first started out in the field before the internet was invented,
> the copy editors would hand edit manuscripts and send them back for
> approval. Sometimes they would include brief lectures on the "correct"
> usage of various words, such as which and that, between and among, etc.,
> usually accompanied by a xeroxed page from a style manual. I was terrorized
> by those lectures. They made me feel like I was in a 7th grade English
> class again. At some point I submitted a paper that had several sentences
> in the subjunctive mood (e.g., If hypothesis A were true, we would expect
> cats to fall from the sky, but if hypothesis B were true, we would expect
> the falling animals to be sharks. The copy editor changed each instance of
> were to was. I could not resist the temptation. I sent back a letter in the
> most pedantic tone I could muster that said: In English, when speaking
> about hypotheticals, we use the subjunctive mood, and I included the
> relevant page from Strunk ad White. Of course, I knew that the subjunctive
> mood is gradually disappearing from English, but that small bit defiance
> gave me great pleasure.
>
> I now generally defer to most copy edits, but I will dig in my heals if
> they add something or take something out that I think makes a passage sound
> awkward or difficult to understand. I cannot think of a single instance
> where they did not honor my requests with respect such changes.
>
> I also have a recent paper in JOV with many instances of e.g. and i.e. and
> none of them were removed. Perhaps they hired someone new who is on a
> mission to strip Latin phrases from scientific writing. My advice Qasim is
> to just put them back before you accept the editorial changes. It is, after
> all, your paper!
>
> Jim Todd
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> *Subject:* Re: [visionlist] [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations
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> Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate
> when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence
> (usually when the clause is set off by commas). The general rule is that if
> you can remove
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> Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate
> when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence
> (usually when the clause is set off by commas). The general rule is that if
> you can remove the clause without changing the meaning of the sentence,
> “which” is appropriate.
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> Brian Timney
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> *From: *cvnet <cvnet-bounces at lawton.ewind.com> on behalf of Johnson,
> Chris A via cvnet <cvnet at lawton.ewind.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM
> *To: *Vincent Billock <vabillock at att.net>
> *Cc: *cvnet at mail.ewind.com <cvnet at mail.ewind.com>,
> visionlist at visionscience.com <visionlist at visionscience.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations
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> Many years ago the editor for the American Journal of Ophthalmology
> changed every which to that, made the presentation be in first person (even
> with multiple authors), and made many other changes without permission.
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> Chris Johnson
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> Emeritus Professor, Univ. of Iowa Dept. of Ophthalmology
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> Chris Johnson Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 28, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Vincent Billock via cvnet <
> cvnet at lawton.ewind.com> wrote:
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> I once had a journal edit out the word 'mayhap' after the article was
> accepted.  I was annoyed.  Mayhap is an awesome word and deserves to be
> printed.
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> I also had a journal question my use of the word 'gift' as a verb.  In my
> reply I cited both Elizabeth Barrett Browning and Blade Runner as
> precedents, so they let it in.  At least they asked first.
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> In general I dislike the high-handed behavior of copy editors.
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> 'et alia' is lovely.  Maybe I'll try slipping that in next time.
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> Vince Billock
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> On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 3:30:49 PM EDT, Karen Gunther <
> guntherk at wabash.edu> wrote:
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> I just had a paper published in JOV, and I have both e.g. and i.e.
> multiple times in my paper (final version, not edited out).
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> I would LOVE to change “et al.” to “et alia”.  Students never know where
> the period goes.  And “al.” is hardly any shorter than “alia”.
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> *From:* cvnet <cvnet-bounces at lawton.ewind.com> *On Behalf Of *Qasim Zaidi
> via cvnet
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:14 PM
> *To:* cvnet at mail.ewind.com; visionlist at visionscience.com
> *Subject:* [cvnet] Abbreviations
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> Does anyone know why "e.g."  and  "i.e." are being edited out of journals,
> especially JOV?  They're well understood concise short-hand for cumbersome
> longer phrases, so I would like to understand the objections to using them.
>
> Thanks
>
> QZ
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