<div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div>The VSS meeting (and the corresponding meeting of the Vision Research board) is nearly upon us. I thought I'd send a friendly reminder of the issue below: namely that to my knowledge, <span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Vision Research (Elsevier), the APA (JEP:HPP), Multisensory Research and MDPI's Vision</span> have still not formally responded to our community's questions about open access costs.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, if I've missed a response please let me know.</div><div><br></div><div>If you run into any board members of the journals listed above at VSS next week, perhaps you can ask them about it?</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards and see you in Florida,</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">--</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thomas Wallis, PhD</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Project Leader, SFB 1233 Robust Vision</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">AG Bethge </font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Center for Integrative Neuroscience</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Eberhard Karls Universität Tübingen</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Otfried-Müller-Str 25</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">72076 Tübingen</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Germany</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><a href="http://www.tomwallis.info" target="_blank"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">www.tomwallis.info</font></a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Tom Wallis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsawallis@gmail.com" target="_blank">tsawallis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Over nine months ago, our journals were asked to "...respond to the survey, particularly addressing exactly why each journal is as expensive / cheap as it is, particularly its open access option, and whether each journal will provide transparent accounting of costs."<br><br>To my knowledge, four publishers (ARVO, Perception / SAGE, Frontiers and Psychonomics) have provided at least a cursory response, whereas Vision Research (Elsevier), the APA (JEP:HPP), Multisensory Research and MDPI's Vision journal have provided no response. <br><br>I recently decided to refuse a review request for Vision Research, providing the editor with the following letter:<br><br><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 2.3rem;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande','lucida sans unicode','lucida sans',geneva,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:italic">Dear Editor,</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 2.3rem;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande','lucida sans unicode','lucida sans',geneva,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:italic">As you’re aware, in January 2016 CVNet hosted a long discussion about open-access charges and journal costings more generally. This discussion resulted in a survey of the community (results here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tfpSVeLflOG4moGvhHlT2SivnW5Rqw-upGrwLZkqEcA/edit#gid=1335831285" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(187,0,0);text-decoration:none;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392)" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>…/1tfpSVeLflOG4moGvhHlT2SivnW…<wbr>/edit…</a>). All journals publishing vision-related content were invited to respond to the survey, particularly addressing “exactly why each journal is as expensive/cheap as it is, particularly its open access option, and whether each journal will provide transparent accounting of costs. Given that the data indicate that “Full academic or professional society control” is a high priority, editors should also comment on the ability of themselves and the rest of us to affect their journal’s policies, features and cost.”.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 2.3rem;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande','lucida sans unicode','lucida sans',geneva,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:italic">To my knowledge, Vision Research has as yet failed to respond to this survey, despite having agreed to such a response at its editorial board meeting at VSS in May. This is in contrast to some other journals and publishers, such as Perception / iPerception and ARVO. If this understanding is mistaken, please let me know and I will correct my stance.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 2.3rem;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande','lucida sans unicode','lucida sans',geneva,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:italic">Failing that, I therefore choose to withhold my services as a reviewer until such time as Vision Research / Elsevier engage with the community they supposedly serve.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 2.3rem;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande','lucida sans unicode','lucida sans',geneva,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:italic">Best regards</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 2.3rem;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande','lucida sans unicode','lucida sans',geneva,verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:italic">Tom Wallis</p><br>Should you feel similarly to me, perhaps you will also consider refusing review requests until those journals engage with our community. I provide more details, and will try to update a list of journals who have / have not replied, at my blog here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://tomwallis.info/2016/11/08/vision-journal-community-responses/" target="_blank">https://tomwallis.info/2016/<wbr>11/08/vision-journal-<wbr>community-responses/</a><br><br>Best regards<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br>Tom Wallis</font></span></div></div><div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Lester Loschky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:loschky@ksu.edu" target="_blank">loschky@ksu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks so much, Hans! That is a very enlightening blog recapping the 2015 political action taken by the Dutch, English, Germans, and other countries to end the "serials crisis" caused by publishers over-charging for open access publication. Interestingly, it sounds like Elsevier really IS the biggest obstacle among the major publishers. It also sounds like actions by libraries (e.g., the <a href="https://about.openlibhums.org/2014/04/07/library-partnership-subsidies-lps/" target="_blank">Library Partnership Subsidies</a>) to get involved in open access publishing is a fantastic way to get prices down to the real costs. <div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Les</div></div><div class="gmail-m_-5424847051627712086HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_-5424847051627712086h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Hans Strasburger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:strasburger@uni-muenchen.de" target="_blank">strasburger@uni-muenchen.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear all,<br>
<br>
while we are all brooding over what to do next, you might enjoy this blog on PLOS on open access developments:<br>
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<a href="http://blogs.plos.org/absolutely-maybe/2016/02/01/open-access-2015-a-year-access-negotiators-edged-closer-to-the-brink/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blogs.plos.org/absolute<wbr>ly-maybe/2016/02/01/open-<wbr>access-2015-a-year-access-<wbr>negotiators-edged-closer-to-<wbr>the-brink/</a><br>
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Cheers,<br>
Hans<br>
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Hans Strasburger, apl. Prof.<br>
Ludwig Maximilian University München<br>
Inst. f. Med. Psychologie<br>
Georg August University Göttingen<br>
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Am 27.02.2016 um 21:22 schrieb Lester Loschky:<br>
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Hi Simon,<br>
<br>
I fully share your reaction and your interpretation of the responses from our Vision Science journals to the results of Alex Holcombe's survey. Clearly, there is a mismatch between what folks in the Vision Science community are wanting, and what we are getting, and it seems that the folks in charge of our journals are, by and large, not sure what to say about it at the moment.<br>
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I will say, however, that the "holding" statements from JOV and Psychonomics are entirely reasonable. Any official changes are going to have be the product of discussion among the appropriate governing bodies. We cannot expect any official changes to happen over night in response to the Vision Science community's stated wishes for change.<br>
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On the other hand, one might also ask whether there is a valid distinction between "them" and "us" in this case, since the people doing the reviewing and editing are us (the Vision Science community). So, any changes that start at a "grass roots" level will be by us. That is, reviewers and editors of our various Vision Science journals who feel strongly about these issues may want to discuss among ourselves what we want, whether that would involve changes of the sort highlighted by Alex Holcombe's questionnaire, and, if so, what those changes would concretely involve. Such discussions are surely the most direct way to start moving towards the changes that the questionnaire shows are desired by us in the Vision Science community.<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Les<br>
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On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Simon Rushton <<a href="mailto:RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.uk" target="_blank">RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.uk" target="_blank">RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.u<wbr>k</a>>> wrote:<br>
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I've been looking forward to reading the responses from journals. Now Hoover has posted them (thank you Hoover) I'm not sure how to<br>
interpret them.<br>
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Just to recap, Alex Holcombe's survey prompted almost 400<br>
responses. 93% of people indicated that they "want change NOW"<br>
and he invited responses from the journals that serve the vision<br>
community.<br>
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iPerception/Perception have provided a comprehensive response.<br>
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JoV and Psychonomics have issued what I guess we'd call "holding"<br>
statements.<br>
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JEP:HPP; Vision; Multisensory Research; Vision Research and<br>
Frontiers: Perception have not responded. They must be aware of<br>
the discussion and survey responses.<br>
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I can't be the only person that is disappointed by such a poor<br>
response from our journals (except Perception/iPerception) to an<br>
issue on which the community has expressed such a strong view.<br>
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simon<br>
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