<div dir="ltr">Thanks for sharing that, <span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">PremNandhini!  It is a great history of how we got to the troubled present in academic publishing.  It's extremely informative.</span><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">I think the author of the article, Stephen Buranyi, needs to write a follow-up article, though, that goes into all the various types of open access publishing, which he only minimally alludes to at the end.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Best,</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Les</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Premnandhini Satgunam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:premnandhini@gmail.com" target="_blank">premnandhini@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Long read, but almost like watching "The GodFather"!!!</div><div><br></div><div>The legacy of scientific publishing!</div><div><br></div><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-business-scientific-publishing-bad-for-science?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/<wbr>science/2017/jun/27/<wbr>profitable-business-<wbr>scientific-publishing-bad-for-<wbr>science?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other</a><div><br></div><div>-PremNandhini<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Tom Wallis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsawallis@gmail.com" target="_blank">tsawallis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Thanks for your response Marc. I've added Multisensory Research to the list of journals that have provided a response to the community <a href="https://tomwallis.info/2016/11/08/vision-journal-community-responses/" target="_blank">here</a>.<div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">--</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thomas Wallis, PhD</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Project Leader, SFB 1233 Robust Vision</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">AG Bethge </font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Center for Integrative Neuroscience</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Eberhard Karls Universität Tübingen</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Otfried-Müller-Str 25</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">72076 Tübingen</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Germany</font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><a href="http://www.tomwallis.info" target="_blank"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">www.tomwallis.info</font></a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Marc Ernst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc.oliver.ernst@googlemail.com" target="_blank">marc.oliver.ernst@googlemail.<wbr>com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Tom, <div><br></div><div>we have discussed this issue several times with Brill, the publisher of Multisensory Research. In response to our permanent queries they have updated their web-pages beginning of the year such that they now include more detailed descriptions on their open access policy. See e.g. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.brill.com/publications/journals/multisensory-research" target="_blank">http://www.brill.com/publicati<wbr>ons/journals/multisensory-rese<wbr>arch</a></div><div><br></div><div>As editors we constantly try to push the publisher to better justify their cost models and to make their policy transparent as we know this is important for the community.   </div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, I will not be at VSS this year to discuss this further. However, I hope to see you next year. </div><div><br></div><div>Enjoy & best, </div><div>Marc</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891h5"> <br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Am 15.05.2017 um 22:12 schrieb Tom Wallis <<a href="mailto:tsawallis@gmail.com" target="_blank">tsawallis@gmail.com</a>>:</div><br class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for pointing that out Andrew. I obviously missed it. I have also updated my website to reflect this response (<a href="https://tomwallis.info/2016/11/08/vision-journal-community-responses/" target="_blank">https://tomwallis.info/2016/1<wbr>1/08/vision-journal-community-<wbr>responses/</a>).<div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">--</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thomas Wallis, PhD</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Project Leader, SFB 1233 Robust Vision</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">AG Bethge </font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Center for Integrative Neuroscience</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Eberhard Karls Universität Tübingen</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Otfried-Müller-Str 25</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">72076 Tübingen</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Germany</font></div><div style="font-size:12px"><a href="http://www.tomwallis.info/" target="_blank"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">www.tomwallis.info</font></a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Andrew Parker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew.parker@dpag.ox.ac.uk" target="_blank">andrew.parker@dpag.ox.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Dear Tom<br>
    <br>
    It is my understanding that the following was sent to cvnet in
    February this year. I am recirculating this.<br>
    <br>
    Kind regards<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Andrew<br>
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            <td>Vision - MDPI APC policy</td>
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            <td>Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:36:52 +0100</td>
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            <td>Dr. Franck Vazquez | CEO | MDPI <a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vazquez@mdpi.com" target="_blank"><vazquez@mdpi.com></a></td>
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            <td>MDPI</td>
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            <td><a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com" target="_blank">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a></td>
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            <td>Andrew Parker <a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andrew.parker@dpag.ox.ac.uk" target="_blank"><andrew.parker@dpag.ox.ac.uk></a>, Dr.
              Franck Vazquez | CEO | MDPI <a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vazquez@mdpi.com" target="_blank"><vazquez@mdpi.com></a></td>
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      Dear all,<br>
      <br>
      I have been invited by Prof. Dr. Andrew Parker, the
      Editor-in-Chief of our journal "Vision", <br>
      to highlight MDPI’s APC policy in this discussion group.<br>
      <br>
      MDPI seeks to maintain a fair and sustainable APC policy that
      allows its staff to run journals <br>
      to expected industry standards, to launch and develop new titles,
      and to subsidize articles in <br>
      many various cases. Articles may be discounted or waived for
      fields where little or no funding is<br>
      available for open access publication (such as humanities and
      social sciences), for authors from <br>
      low-income countries, or for few invited articles. Our new
      journals, in the process of establishing their <br>
      reputation and gaining visibility, do not charge an APC for at
      least the first three to four years <br>
      of operation.<br>
      <br>
      As indicated in our annual report 2015 (<a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mdpi.com/about" target="_blank">http://www.mdpi.com/about</a>),
      the average APC for articles <br>
      published in 2015 across all MDPI journals (including those with
      no APC) is around 830CHF <br>
      (770EUR/800USD). This is sufficient to cover our costs while
      maintaining a rigorous editorial process.<br>
      The OpenAPC project page currently reports €1,163 per article.
      This  discrepancy arises from the <br>
      fact that the Open APC project list only 45 of our 160 journals.
      This average APC per paper is <br>
      clearly among the lowest APC in the field:<br>
      <a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://treemaps.intact-project.org/apcdata/openapc/#publisher/" target="_blank">https://treemaps.intact-projec<wbr>t.org/apcdata/openapc/#publish<wbr>er/</a><br>
      The full list of APC across our journals is available here: <a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mdpi.com/about/apc#amount-apc" target="_blank">http://www.mdpi.com/about/apc#<wbr>amount-apc</a><br>
      <br>
      MDPI works closely with editorial boards consisting of scholars
      with an international reputation. <br>
      They work on a voluntary basis or receive a small honorarium, and
      are responsible for the <br>
      editorial decisions about which papers to publish. MDPI supports
      them with all time-consuming <br>
      administrative tasks. <br>
      MDPI is also involved in a number of not-for-profit project to
      help scholarly communities to interact<br>
      and communicate, like the multidisciplinary preprint project
      developed at "<a href="http://Preprints.org" target="_blank">Preprints.org</a>", the "<a href="http://sciforum.net/" target="_blank">sciforum.net</a>"<br>
      platform where scholars can create, organize and run their
      conference entirely for free, or "<a href="http://SciLit.net" target="_blank">SciLit.net</a>", <br>
      our database of scholarly literature (currently 88.8 millions
      articles) that allows scholar to stay up-to-date <br>
      every day with the most recent articles published by any
      publisher.<br>
      <br>
      Best wishes,<br>
      Franck<br>
      <br>
      <span><u></u><u></u></span>
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Franck Vazquez, Ph.D
Chief Executive Officer, MDPI AG
St. Alban-Anlage 66, 4052 Basel, Switzerland
Tel. <a href="tel:+41%2061%20683%2077%2034" value="+41616837734" target="_blank">+41 61 683 77 34</a>
<a class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mdpi.com/" target="_blank">http://www.mdpi.com</a>
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    <pre class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-signature" cols="72">Professor AJ Parker, MA, PhD, ScD, FRSB
Dept Physiology, Anatomy and Genetics,
University of Oxford
Sherrington Building, Parks Road, Oxford, OX1 3PT
Phone <a href="tel:+44%201865%20272504" value="+441865272504" target="_blank">+44 1865 272504</a> 
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    <div class="m_-391704149880404388m_8942433055423080891m_9221802830598357425m_-1342222868685310972moz-cite-prefix">On 15/05/2017 16:05, Tom Wallis wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Dear all, 
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The VSS meeting (and the corresponding meeting of the
          Vision Research board) is nearly upon us. I thought I'd send a
          friendly reminder of the issue below: namely that to my
          knowledge, <span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Vision
            Research (Elsevier), the APA (JEP:HPP), Multisensory
            Research and MDPI's Vision</span> have still not formally
          responded to our community's questions about open access
          costs.</div>
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        <div>Of course, if I've missed a response please let me know.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>If you run into any board members of the journals listed
          above at VSS next week, perhaps you can ask them about it?</div>
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        <div>Best regards and see you in Florida,</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Tom</div>
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                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thomas
                          Wallis, PhD</font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Project
                          Leader, SFB 1233 Robust Vision</font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">AG Bethge </font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Center for
                          Integrative Neuroscience</font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Eberhard
                          Karls Universität Tübingen</font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Otfried-Müller-Str
                          25</font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">72076
                          Tübingen</font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Germany</font></div>
                      <div style="font-size:12px"><a href="http://www.tomwallis.info/" target="_blank"><font face="arial, helvetica,
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM,
              Tom Wallis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsawallis@gmail.com" target="_blank">tsawallis@gmail.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Dear all,
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                  <div>Over nine months ago, our journals were asked to
                    "...respond to the survey, particularly addressing
                    exactly why each journal is as expensive / cheap as
                    it is, particularly its open access option, and
                    whether each journal will provide transparent
                    accounting of costs."<br>
                    <br>
                    To my knowledge, four publishers (ARVO, Perception /
                    SAGE, Frontiers and Psychonomics) have provided at
                    least a cursory response, whereas Vision Research
                    (Elsevier), the APA (JEP:HPP), Multisensory Research
                    and MDPI's Vision journal have provided no response.
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    I recently decided to refuse a review request for
                    Vision Research, providing the editor with the
                    following letter:<br>
                    <br><p>Dear
                      Editor,</p><p>As
                      you’re aware, in January 2016 CVNet hosted a long
                      discussion about open-access charges and journal
                      costings more generally. This discussion resulted
                      in a survey of the community (results here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tfpSVeLflOG4moGvhHlT2SivnW5Rqw-upGrwLZkqEcA/edit#gid=1335831285" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(187,0,0);text-decoration:none;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392)" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>…/1tfpSVeLflOG4moGvhHlT2SivnW…<wbr>/edit…</a>).
                      All journals publishing vision-related content
                      were invited to respond to the survey,
                      particularly addressing “exactly why each journal
                      is as expensive/cheap as it is, particularly its
                      open access option, and whether each journal will
                      provide transparent accounting of costs. Given
                      that the data indicate that “Full academic or
                      professional society control” is a high priority,
                      editors should also comment on the ability of
                      themselves and the rest of us to affect their
                      journal’s policies, features and cost.”.</p><p>To
                      my knowledge, Vision Research has as yet failed to
                      respond to this survey, despite having agreed to
                      such a response at its editorial board meeting at
                      VSS in May. This is in contrast to some other
                      journals and publishers, such as Perception /
                      iPerception and ARVO. If this understanding is
                      mistaken, please let me know and I will correct my
                      stance.</p><p>Failing
                      that, I therefore choose to withhold my services
                      as a reviewer until such time as Vision Research /
                      Elsevier engage with the community they supposedly
                      serve.</p><p>Best
                      regards</p><p>Tom
                      Wallis</p>
                    <br>
                    Should you feel similarly to me, perhaps you will
                    also consider refusing review requests until those
                    journals engage with our community. I provide more
                    details, and will try to update a list of journals
                    who have / have not replied, at my blog here:</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a href="https://tomwallis.info/2016/11/08/vision-journal-community-responses/" target="_blank">https://tomwallis.info/2016/11<wbr>/08/vision-journal-community-r<wbr>esponses/</a><br>
                    <br>
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                        <br>
                        Tom Wallis</font></span></div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at
                        6:03 PM, Lester Loschky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:loschky@ksu.edu" target="_blank">loschky@ksu.edu</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Thanks so much, Hans!  That is
                            a very enlightening blog recapping the 2015
                            political action taken by the Dutch,
                            English, Germans, and other countries to end
                            the "serials crisis" caused by publishers
                            over-charging for open access publication. 
                            Interestingly, it sounds like Elsevier
                            really IS the biggest obstacle among the
                            major publishers. It also sounds like
                            actions by libraries (e.g., the <a href="https://about.openlibhums.org/2014/04/07/library-partnership-subsidies-lps/" target="_blank">Library Partnership
                              Subsidies</a>) to get involved in open
                            access publishing is a fantastic way to get
                            prices down to the real costs.  
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Best wishes,</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Les</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 6,
                                  2016 at 4:52 AM, Hans Strasburger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:strasburger@uni-muenchen.de" target="_blank">strasburger@uni-muenchen.de</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    all,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    while we are all brooding over what
                                    to do next, you might enjoy this
                                    blog on PLOS on open access
                                    developments:<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <a href="http://blogs.plos.org/absolutely-maybe/2016/02/01/open-access-2015-a-year-access-negotiators-edged-closer-to-the-brink/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blogs.plos.org/absolute<wbr>ly-maybe/2016/02/01/open-acces<wbr>s-2015-a-year-access-negotiato<wbr>rs-edged-closer-to-the-brink/</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    Cheers,<br>
                                    Hans<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Hans Strasburger, apl. Prof.<br>
                                    Ludwig Maximilian University München<br>
                                    Inst. f. Med. Psychologie<br>
                                    Georg August University Göttingen<br>
                                    <a href="mailto:strasburger@uni-muenchen.de" target="_blank">strasburger@uni-muenchen.de</a><br>
                                    <a href="http://www.hans.strasburger.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.hans.strasburger.de</a><span><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Am 27.02.2016 um 21:22 schrieb
                                      Lester Loschky:<br>
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                                        Simon,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I fully share your reaction and
                                        your interpretation of the
                                        responses from our Vision
                                        Science journals to the results
                                        of Alex Holcombe's survey.
                                        Clearly, there is a mismatch
                                        between what folks in the Vision
                                        Science community are wanting,
                                        and what we are getting, and it
                                        seems that the folks in charge
                                        of our journals are, by and
                                        large, not sure what to say
                                        about it at the moment.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I will say, however, that the
                                        "holding" statements from JOV
                                        and Psychonomics are entirely
                                        reasonable.  Any official
                                        changes are going to have be the
                                        product of discussion among the
                                        appropriate governing bodies. 
                                        We cannot expect any official
                                        changes to happen over night in
                                        response to the Vision Science
                                        community's stated wishes for
                                        change.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On the other hand, one might
                                        also ask whether there is a
                                        valid distinction between "them"
                                        and "us" in this case, since the
                                        people doing the reviewing and
                                        editing are us (the Vision
                                        Science community).  So, any
                                        changes that start at a "grass
                                        roots" level will be by us. 
                                        That is, reviewers and editors
                                        of our various Vision Science
                                        journals who feel strongly about
                                        these issues may want to discuss
                                        among ourselves what we want,
                                        whether that would involve
                                        changes of the sort highlighted
                                        by Alex Holcombe's
                                        questionnaire, and, if so, what
                                        those changes would concretely
                                        involve.  Such discussions are
                                        surely the most direct way to
                                        start moving towards the changes
                                        that the questionnaire shows are
                                        desired by us in the Vision
                                        Science community.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Best wishes,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Les<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </span><span>
                                        On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:30 PM,
                                        Simon Rushton <<a href="mailto:RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.uk" target="_blank">RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.uk</a>
                                        <mailto:<a href="mailto:RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.uk" target="_blank">RushtonSK@cardiff.ac.u<wbr>k</a>>>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
                                            I've been looking forward to
                                        reading the responses from
                                        journals.     Now Hoover has
                                        posted them (thank you Hoover)
                                        I'm not sure how to<br>
                                            interpret them.<br>
                                        <br>
                                            Just to recap, Alex
                                        Holcombe's survey prompted
                                        almost 400<br>
                                            responses.  93% of people
                                        indicated that they "want change
                                        NOW"<br>
                                            and he invited responses
                                        from the journals that serve the
                                        vision<br>
                                            community.<br>
                                        <br>
                                            iPerception/Perception have
                                        provided a comprehensive
                                        response.<br>
                                        <br>
                                            JoV and Psychonomics have
                                        issued what I guess we'd call
                                        "holding"<br>
                                            statements.<br>
                                        <br>
                                            JEP:HPP; Vision;
                                        Multisensory Research; Vision
                                        Research and<br>
                                            Frontiers: Perception have
                                        not responded.  They must be
                                        aware of<br>
                                            the discussion and survey
                                        responses.<br>
                                        <br>
                                            I can't be the only person
                                        that is disappointed by such a
                                        poor<br>
                                            response from our journals
                                        (except Perception/iPerception)
                                        to an<br>
                                            issue on which the community
                                        has expressed such a strong
                                        view.<br>
                                        <br>
                                            simon<br>
                                        <br>
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                                        Associate Professor<br>
                                        Department of Psychological
                                        Sciences<br>
                                        471 Bluemont Hall<br>
                                        Kansas State University<br>
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                                    <div>Lester Loschky<br>
                                      Associate Professor<br>
                                      Department of Psychological
                                      Sciences<br>
                                      471 Bluemont Hall<br>
                                      Kansas State University<br>
                                      Manhattan, KS 66056-5302<br>
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                                      E-mail: <a href="mailto:loschky@ksu.edu" target="_blank">loschky@ksu.edu</a><br>
                                      research page: <a href="http://www.k-state.edu/psych/research/loschkylester.html" target="_blank">http://www.k-state.edu/psych/r<wbr>esearch/loschkylester.html</a><br>
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