<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7088"><span>Dear all,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7088"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7088" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7436">I posted a question about displays with narrowband primaries a few weeks ago. Thank you for the responses. This email is just to summarise what I've learnt.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7088" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7088" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7503">In the end I have opted to stick with the display I have. However, I did get some information about some other options which may be useful to others.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7088" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_8306"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7810"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7811"><u id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7812"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7813">Projectors</span></u></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7815"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7816"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7817"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7818"> </o:p></span></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7819"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7820"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7821">RGB LED projectors</span></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7823"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7824">RGB LED
projectors use red, green and blue LEDs as their primaries. These may not always
be narrowband. However, one advantage of using a projector is that a triple
pass filter can be placed directly in front of the projector to narrow the primaries.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7826"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7827"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7828"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7829"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7830"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7831">Texas Instruments LightCrafter</span></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7833"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7834">The
projector we are using is the LightCrafter 4710.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7835"> </span>This has 3 LED primaries. The red and the
blue are relatively narrowband (FWHM between 20-25nm) whereas the green is much
broader (FWHM ~80nm). The green LED also overlaps substantially with the red
which means that even with the triple pass filter there is light from the green
LED in the red filter channel.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7837"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7838"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7839"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7840"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7841">Another
issue with this projector is that it processes the images before displaying
them rather than simply displaying the desired pixel values. This is not ideal
for controlled vision experiments.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7843"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7844"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7845"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7846"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7847">The LightCrafter
4500 has a lower spatial resolution than the LightCrafter 4710. However, it has
the advantage of allowing the presentation of exact images without the
processing, and offers a low level control of the micromirrors. One caveat is
that this control is not available with a standard HDMI input and in this case
it still seems to process the images. The only way to achieve the low level
control (it seems) is to directly manipulate the bit patterns on the controller.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7849"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7850"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7851"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7852"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7853"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-themecolor:text1;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7854">Laser
projectors</span></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7856"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7857">Laser
projectors are also an option and although some are very expensive there are
also now some cheaper options. I haven’t looked much into these and I’m not sure how much image processing might go on within the projectors.
However, this may be a good option.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7859"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7860"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7861"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7862"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7863"><u id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7864"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7865">OLEDs</span></u></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7867"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7868"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7869"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7870"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7871">OLEDs use
LED primaries which can be quite narrowband. However, these often have built in
image processing that may not be possible to disable. It is also difficult to
find out what the spectra of the LEDs are before purchasing so it could be
risky.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7873"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7874"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7875"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7876"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7877"><u id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7878"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7879">LCDs</span></u></b></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7881"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7882"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7883"> </o:p></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7884"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7885">Some LCD
screens are now being made to have larger colour gamuts. For example, the ASUS
ProArt PA32UC. However, I have not been able to find information of the spectra
or bandwidths for the primaries of any of these displays so again it’s risky.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7887"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7888"><o:p id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7889"> </o:p></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7890"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7891">The VIEWPixx
and VIEWPixx/3D displays by VPixx Technologies use RGB LEDs as a backlight.
This gives narrower RGB primaries than using a white LED backlight. The
component used is the CREE CLP6C-FKB-CM1Q1H1BB7R3R3. The link to the datasheet
with the LED spectra is here: <u id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7892"><span style="color:#4472C4;mso-themecolor:accent5" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7893">https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/CREE%20Power/CLP6C-FKB.pdf</span></u><span style="color:black;mso-themecolor:text1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7894">.</span></span></div></blockquote><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7088" dir="ltr">
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<!--EndFragment--></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7890"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style="color:black;mso-themecolor:text1"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7890"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style="color:black;mso-themecolor:text1"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7890">Thanks again for the responses.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7890"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7890">Best wishes,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1534431994405_7890">Abi</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, 23 July 2018, 11:19, Abigail Finch <abigailfinch@btinternet.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv4129197562"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv4129197562"><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532340194912_85875"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532340194912_85874"><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3859">Dear all,</span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3678">I'm Abi, a PhD student in the Physics department at Durham University, UK. I mostly run psychophysical experiments investigating the optics of the eye and in particular chromatic aberration.</span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3757">I'm trying to find a suitable display to present stimuli for an experiment. The most important features are that the display has narrowband primaries (the narrower the better) and a relatively good black level. Does anyone know of a display that might be suitable?</span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_4048">We've been using a DLP projector with LED primaries but are having issues with the black levels and some inbuilt image processing which we can't turn off. We were wondering whether an OLED display might be a better option but haven't found any that actually publish the spectra of their primaries.</span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532340194912_86012">Please email me personally at abigail.p.finch@durham.ac.uk to avoid spamming the list and I will write up a summary of the responses I get and post that on the list.</span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3876">Thanks very much for your help!</span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3875">Best wishes,</span></div><div id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_3389" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" id="yiv4129197562yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1532011843733_4118">Abi</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>