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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Color is not my thing, so I could have missed some older references, but when reviewing the history of perceptual constancies in my “3D shape” book, I cited Alhazen (1083) for a description of what resembles Maxwell’s top. See pp. 144-5 in:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Alhazen (1083/1989) The optics. Books 1-3. (Translated by A.I. Sabra, London: The Warburg Institute).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Zyg Pizlo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com [mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christopher Tyler<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Macleod, Donald <dmacleod@ucsd.edu><br><b>Cc:</b> Sandro Krasic <sandro.krasic.sk@gmail.com>; serge NICOLAS <serge.nicolas77@gmail.com>; cvnet@mail.ewind.com; visionlist@visionscience.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cvnet] Robert Musil and the Color Wheel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>However, in 1855 Maxwell invented the colour top for mixing colours (<a href="https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsta.2007.2178">https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsta.2007.2178</a>). What, then, did Musil invent in 1906?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Christopher Tyler<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:16 PM Macleod, Donald <<a href="mailto:dmacleod@ucsd.edu">dmacleod@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BTW the inventor of that interesting and useful contraption was the Austrian writer Robert Musil (who studied engineering first, then rejected academia to write important novels): <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musilscher_Farbkreisel" target="_blank">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musilscher_Farbkreisel</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The inner workings of “Musil'scher Farbkreisel” are described in the catalog of Spindler &Hoyer, online at <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://vlp.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/library/data/lit24062/index_html?pn=57&ws=1.5" target="_blank">http://vlp.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/library/data/lit24062/index_html?pn=57&ws=1.5</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Don<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com" target="_blank">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com" target="_blank">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sandro Krasic<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 26, 2019 1:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Alan Gilchrist <<a href="mailto:alan@psychology.rutgers.edu" target="_blank">alan@psychology.rutgers.edu</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> serge NICOLAS <<a href="mailto:serge.nicolas77@gmail.com" target="_blank">serge.nicolas77@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com" target="_blank">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>; <a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" target="_blank">visionlist@visionscience.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cvnet] Re: vieux instruments de psychologie<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>thank you very much! With your help we identified all apparatus. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sandro<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>uto, 26. ožu 2019. u 20:33 Alan Gilchrist <<a href="mailto:alan@psychology.rutgers.edu" target="_blank">alan@psychology.rutgers.edu</a>> napisao je:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sandro, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Figures 7, 8, 12, and 13 show an episcotister, I believe. It is a color wheel that allows you to change the proportion of 2 colors (say white and black) while the disk is spinning at high speed. Can’t touch German machines!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Alan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>------------------------------<br>Alan L. Gilchrist<br>Professor<br>Psychology Dept<br>Rutgers University<br>Newark, NJ<br>------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mar 25, 2019, at 7:13 PM, serge NICOLAS <<a href="mailto:serge.nicolas77@gmail.com" target="_blank">serge.nicolas77@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here some indications:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Figures 12-13 : Farbenkreisel zur beliebigen Verstellun der Sektore, während der Rotation (Couloured disc on which the size of the sectors may be varied during rotation) may be E. Zimmermann, I do not see details on the photos but it is an handvariator.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Figure 6 : Graphische chronometer nach Jaquet (Jaquet's graphic chronometer)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Figure 7 : Einfacher Farbvariator (simple colour motor variator)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Figures 4 and 5 : Tourenzähler (Speed indicator)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Figure 9 : Deprez signal type (but I am not sure)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The other instruments are unknown to me. But photos do not indicate details.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have not in my possesion the Heinrich Diel catalogue. I think you can find informations into this old catalogue.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Serge<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:07, Mark Wexler <<a href="mailto:mark.wexler@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.wexler@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cher collègue, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chercheur en psychophysique à l'INCC (ex-LPP, ex-LPE) et visiteur à votre exposition de vieux instruments de psychologie au siège de l'Université (très intéressante, mais j'aurais apprécié plus d'explications), je viens de recevoir ce message d'un collègue slovaque sur CVNET, une liste de diffusion sur la vision :<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>From: Sandro Krasic <<a href="mailto:sandro.krasic.sk@gmail.com" target="_blank">sandro.krasic.sk@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:17:32 +0100<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>To: <a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" target="_blank">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>, <a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com" target="_blank">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello everyone!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At the faculty we are doing exhibition of old psychological apparatus for which we need to find out their names and functions. We found many of them, but some of them are still unknown to us. If someone has any information for any of them, I would be very grateful if you shared it with me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>link to images: <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1hAfd9usAknstFhiESKqbJhIogUEUmMwX&data=02%7C01%7Calan%40psychology.rutgers.edu%7C8c05cd06a0834a31edfb08d6b184b428%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C1%7C636891580878975760&sdata=FoRWSOVV%2F3%2BpMofj51lJvSB18uk7M0TzXsvHqUA7XAM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hAfd9usAknstFhiESKqbJhIogUEUmMwX</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>------------------------------------ <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Je me suis dit que si quelqu'un pourrait l'aider, ce serait vous.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Très cordialement,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Mark Wexler<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Mark Wexler<br>Integrative Neuroscience and Cognition Center<br>CNRS - Université Paris Descartes<br>45, rue des Saints-Pères<br>75006 Paris, France<br><a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwexler.free.fr&data=02%7C01%7Calan%40psychology.rutgers.edu%7C8c05cd06a0834a31edfb08d6b184b428%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C1%7C636891580878985764&sdata=x2m1c0VzFkYwPeUeps675fVkLplwI5Qu3wY25OHa8YM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://wexler.free.fr</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Pr Serge NICOLAS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Membre Senior de l'Institut Universitaire de France (IUF)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Institut de Psychologie,<br>Université Paris Descartes, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frecherche.parisdescartes.fr%2FLaboratoireMemoireCognition&data=02%7C01%7Calan%40psychology.rutgers.edu%7C8c05cd06a0834a31edfb08d6b184b428%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C1%7C636891580878985764&sdata=8ElIdJAahak2slRr9SMLYwo5iBDdV6t%2Bx8niW8hdGNA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>Laboratoire Memoire & Cognition</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>71 avenue Ed. 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