<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I once identified observers by color names, which corresponded to their color coded data in the figures.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Beau</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="">
<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mulligan, Jeffrey B. (ARC-TH) <<a href="mailto:jeffrey.b.mulligan@nasa.gov" class="">jeffrey.b.mulligan@nasa.gov</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On a somewhat related topic:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">When I was starting out, the tradition was to label subjects’ data in the figures with their initials. This made it pretty easy to identify which data came from the authors. Non-author subjects were indicated by their initials also.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Now that practice has fallen out of fashion, I imagine due to privacy concerns. My opinion is that author subjects should be indicated by their initials, while using de-identified codes (e.g. S1, S2, etc.) for naïve subjects.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Non-author non-naïve subjects may be a borderline case. I had the occasion to revisit one of my early papers a few months ago, and noticed that one of the subjects in one of the experiments was DRW… I had completely forgotten that Dave had been a participant, and I was glad to have been reminded of the fact. Maybe people who are better-organized than me have all of that information in their lab notebooks…<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-Jeff<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">visionlist <<a href="mailto:visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com</a>> on behalf of "Brown, Angela" <<a href="mailto:brown.112@osu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">brown.112@osu.edu</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:03 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Robert Hess, Dr." <<a href="mailto:robert.hess@mcgill.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">robert.hess@mcgill.ca</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [visionlist] Highly cited publications on vision in which authors were also subjects?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is one disadvantage of studying inarticulate subjects (animals, babies): you can’t introspect on their experience, and they can’t tell you what they see.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Angela Brown<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">"visionlist-bounces@visionscience. com" <<a href="mailto:visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com</a>> on behalf of "Robert Hess, Dr." <<a href="mailto:robert.hess@mcgill.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">robert.hess@mcgill.ca</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 1:25 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gabrieljacobdiaz@gmail.com</a>>, "visionlist@visionscience. com" <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [visionlist] Highly cited publications on vision in which authors were also subjects?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Gabriel,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I concur with John. In my lab you can’t get away with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">not</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>being a subject in your own psychophysical experiment, for the simple reason that you need to know what artefacts to control, naive subjects won’t tell you this interesting information. I am a subject in almost all of my normal psychophysics and imaging.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Robert<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On May 27, 2020, at 11:47 AM, John Robson <<a href="mailto:jgr11@cam.ac.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jgr11@cam.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Gabriel,<br class=""><br class="">I believe that both Fergus Campbell and I developed quite a reputation for asking authors of drafts of psychophysical papers about the subjective experience of being an experimental subject. We both always felt that the design of experiments should take into account what it was like to be a subject and it was always desirable for authors to be among the subjects. You will find that all the most cited psychophysical papers of both Campbell and myself rely heavily (if not exclusively) on reports of observations made by their authors.<br class=""><br class="">John Robson<br class=""><br class="">On May 27 2020, Gabriel Diaz wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Dear vision community,<br class=""><br class="">In response to a recent proposal to my IRB, I have received a request to<br class="">provide examples of manuscripts in which the PI is also the subject in the<br class="">manuscript. I am hoping that some of you may be able to help me track some<br class="">down. The more impactful the better, whether that be indicated by citation<br class="">count, recognition of the publication venue, or any other metric, as long<br class="">as it will be evident to a non-expert.<br class=""><br class="">Extra points if the study involves some element of motor behavior /<br class="">perception & action.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks in advance,<br class="">- gD<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Professor John Robson ScD FRS<br class="">Senior Research Professor in Vision Science<br class="">University of Houston College of Optometry, Houston, TX 77204-2020<br class="">+1 (713) 743 1807<br class="">and<br class="">Fellow, Gonville & Caius College, Trinity St., Cambridge, CB2 1TA<br class="">and<br class="">Herrings House, Wilbraham Rd, Fulbourn, Cambridge, CB21 5EU<br class="">+44 1223 880277<br class=""><a href="mailto:jgr11@cam.ac.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jgr11@cam.ac.uk</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">visionlist mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a><br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/visionscience.com/mailman/listinfo/visionlist_visionscience.com__;!!KGKeukY!nFdDLruhkyzJGEqUKcc05tVyLv0GFJsrr452muP1eonkK4g2S7XcWQL_uadVYWjvBXg$" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://visionscience.com/mailman/listinfo/visionlist_visionscience.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">visionlist mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="http://visionscience.com/mailman/listinfo/visionlist_visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">http://visionscience.com/mailman/listinfo/visionlist_visionscience.com</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>