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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence (usually when the clause is set off by commas).
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">cvnet <cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com> on behalf of Johnson, Chris A via cvnet <cvnet@lawton.ewind.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Vincent Billock <vabillock@att.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>cvnet@mail.ewind.com <cvnet@mail.ewind.com>, visionlist@visionscience.com <visionlist@visionscience.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Many years ago the editor for the American Journal of Ophthalmology changed every which to that, made the presentation be in first person (even with multiple authors), and made
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Apr 28, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Vincent Billock via cvnet <cvnet@lawton.ewind.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I also had a journal question my use of the word 'gift' as a verb.  In my reply I cited both Elizabeth Barrett Browning and Blade Runner as  precedents, so they let it
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 3:30:49 PM EDT, Karen Gunther <guntherk@wabash.edu> wrote:
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<p class="ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#26282A">I just had a paper published in JOV, and I have both e.g. and i.e. multiple times in my paper (final version, not edited out).</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#26282A">I would LOVE to change “et al.” to “et alia”.  Students never know where the period goes.  And “al.” is hardly any shorter than “alia”.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Gothic sans-serif",serif;color:#333399">Dr. Karen L. Gunther, PhD</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> cvnet <cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Qasim Zaidi via cvnet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> cvnet@mail.ewind.com; visionlist@visionscience.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cvnet] Abbreviations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#26282A">Does anyone know why "e.g."  and  "i.e." are being edited out of journals, especially JOV?  They're well understood concise short-hand for cumbersome longer
 phrases, so I would like to understand the objections to using them.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#26282A">Thanks</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#26282A">QZ</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#26282A">Qasim Zaidi PhD<br>
SUNY Distinguished Professor <br>
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Graduate Center for Vision Research, <br>
State University of New York College of Optometry,<br>
33 West 42nd St, New York, NY  10036.<br>
Office: 212-938-5542; Lab: 212-938-5756; Fax: 212-938-5537<br>
E-mail: </span><a href="mailto:qz@sunyopt.edu" target="_blank">qz@sunyopt.edu</a><span style="color:#26282A"><br>
</span><a href="https://sunyopt.edu/labs/Zaidi/index.php" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://sunyopt.edu/labs/Zaidi/index.php</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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