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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>>>> If it’s common usage, then it is not grammatically incorrect.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Come again?<br>The verbal landscape is littered with common language which is grammatically incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My personal pet peeve: “Me and my friend had lunch together”.<br>Like dragging fingernails down a chalkboard…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>Peter April, CEO<br>VPixx Technologies Inc.<br><br></span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> cvnet <cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Horowitz, Todd (NIH/NCI) [E] via cvnet<br><b>Sent:</b> April 29, 2022 3:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> cvnet@mail.ewind.com; visionlist@visionscience.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>If it’s common usage, then it is not grammatically incorrect.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>> on behalf of "Brian A. BARSKY" <<a href="mailto:barsky@berkeley.edu">barsky@berkeley.edu</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Friday, April 29, 2022 at 2:59 PM<br><b>To: </b>"Todd, James" <<a href="mailto:todd.44@osu.edu">todd.44@osu.edu</a>>, "Lewis, Terri" <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div style='border:solid #9C6500 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#9C6500'>CAUTION:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and are confident the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>“None are” is just one of many examples of common American usage which is grammatically incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Inserting “of them” after “none” does not change the fact that “none” is a singular.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>> on behalf of Todd, James via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:06 AM<br><b>To: </b>Lewis, Terri <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>I'm sure you are both correct in terms of formal grammar, but "none of them was removed" sounds weird to my ear, because "was" immediately follows "them". I'd be curious to know statistically what form of the verb the average speaker of English would use in that context. The verb change associated with the subjunctive is also grammatically correct, but most English speakers do not use it, at least in the US.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'>Jim Todd</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Lewis, Terri <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2022 1:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Todd, James <<a href="mailto:todd.44@osu.edu">todd.44@osu.edu</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Brian Timney <<a href="mailto:timney@uwo.ca">timney@uwo.ca</a>>; Johnson, Chris A <<a href="mailto:chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu">chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu</a>>; vabillock <<a href="mailto:vabillock@att.net">vabillock@att.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>As much as I hate to point out your grammatical error, Todd, I shall. The sentence toward the end stating “ none of them were” should be “ none of them was” because the subject is singular. Sent from Terri’s iPhone </span><span style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;color:white'>🌸</span><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>As much as I hate to point out your grammatical error, Todd, I shall. The sentence toward the end stating “<span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white'> none of them were” should be “ none of them was” because the subject is singular.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Sent from Terri’s iPhone <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>🌸</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>On Apr 29, 2022, at 1:06 PM, Todd, James via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>When I first started out in the field before the internet was invented, the copy editors would hand edit manuscripts and send them back for approval. Sometimes they would include brief lectures on the "correct" usage of various words, such as which and that, between and among, etc., usually accompanied by a xeroxed page from a style manual. I was terrorized by those lectures. They made me feel like I was in a 7<sup>th</sup> grade English class again. At some point I submitted a paper that had several sentences in the subjunctive mood (e.g., If hypothesis A were true, we would expect cats to fall from the sky, but if hypothesis B were true, we would expect the falling animals to be sharks. The copy editor changed each instance of were to was. I could not resist the temptation. I sent back a letter in the most pedantic tone I could muster that said: In English, when speaking about hypotheticals, we use the subjunctive mood, and I included the relevant page from Strunk ad White. Of course, I knew that the subjunctive mood is gradually disappearing from English, but that small bit defiance gave me great pleasure. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I now generally defer to most copy edits, but I will dig in my heals if they add something or take something out that I think makes a passage sound awkward or difficult to understand. I cannot think of a single instance where they did not honor my requests with respect such changes. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I also have a recent paper in JOV with many instances of e.g. and i.e. and none of them were removed. Perhaps they hired someone new who is on a mission to strip Latin phrases from scientific writing. My advice Qasim is to just put them back before you accept the editorial changes. It is, after all, your paper!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jim Todd<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div></div><div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> visionlist <<a href="mailto:visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com">visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com</a>> on behalf of Brian Timney <<a href="mailto:timney@uwo.ca">timney@uwo.ca</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 6:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Johnson, Chris A <<a href="mailto:chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu">chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu</a>>; vabillock <<a href="mailto:vabillock@att.net">vabillock@att.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [visionlist] [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence (usually when the clause is set off by commas). The general rule is that if you can remove <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence (usually when the clause is set off by commas). The general rule is that if you can remove the clause without changing the meaning of the sentence, “which” is appropriate.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Brian Timney</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Western University</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=xxmsonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>> on behalf of Johnson, Chris A via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM<br><b>To: </b>Vincent Billock <<a href="mailto:vabillock@att.net">vabillock@att.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Many years ago the editor for the American Journal of Ophthalmology changed every which to that, made the presentation be in first person (even with multiple authors), and made many other changes without permission.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Chris Johnson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Emeritus Professor, Univ. of Iowa Dept. of Ophthalmology</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Chris Johnson Sent from my iPhone </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=xxmsonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On Apr 28, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Vincent Billock via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>I once had a journal edit out the word 'mayhap' after the article was accepted. I was annoyed. Mayhap is an awesome word and deserves to be printed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>I also had a journal question my use of the word 'gift' as a verb. In my reply I cited both Elizabeth Barrett Browning and Blade Runner as precedents, so they let it in. At least they asked first.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>In general I dislike the high-handed behavior of copy editors.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>'et alia' is lovely. Maybe I'll try slipping that in next time.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Vince Billock </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="x_x_ydpc178a2b3yahoo_quoted_1269848245"><div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 3:30:49 PM EDT, Karen Gunther <<a href="mailto:guntherk@wabash.edu">guntherk@wabash.edu</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id="x_x_ydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656"><div><div><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'>I just had a paper published in JOV, and I have both e.g. and i.e. multiple times in my paper (final version, not edited out).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'>I would LOVE to change “et al.” to “et alia”. Students never know where the period goes. And “al.” is hardly any shorter than “alia”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msolistparagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#26282A'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='color:#26282A'>Karen</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt;line-height:14.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Gothic sans-serif";color:#333399'>*************************************</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt;line-height:14.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Gothic sans-serif";color:#333399'>Dr. Karen L. 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They're well understood concise short-hand for cumbersome longer phrases, so I would like to understand the objections to using them.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'>QZ</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=xxydpc178a2b3yiv3613463656msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#26282A'>Qasim Zaidi PhD<br>SUNY Distinguished Professor <br><br>Graduate 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