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I disagree with Todd. Everybody says “between you and I” and that is incorrect!!!<br class="">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Georgia, serif;" class="">If it’s common usage, then it is not grammatically incorrect.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Georgia, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>>
on behalf of "Brian A. BARSKY" <<a href="mailto:barsky@berkeley.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">barsky@berkeley.edu</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, April 29, 2022 at 2:59 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Todd, James" <<a href="mailto:todd.44@osu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">todd.44@osu.edu</a>>, "Lewis, Terri" <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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“None are” is just one of many examples of common American usage which is grammatically incorrect.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Inserting “of them” after “none” does not change the fact that “none” is a singular.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>>
on behalf of Todd, James via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:06 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lewis, Terri <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white;" class="">I'm sure you are both correct in terms of formal grammar, but "none of them was removed" sounds weird to my ear, because "was" immediately follows "them". I'd be curious to know statistically
what form of the verb the average speaker of English would use in that context. The verb change associated with the subjunctive is also grammatically correct, but most English speakers do not use it, at least in the US.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lewis, Terri <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, April 29, 2022 1:20 PM<br class="">
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<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian Timney <<a href="mailto:timney@uwo.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">timney@uwo.ca</a>>; Johnson, Chris A <<a href="mailto:chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu</a>>;
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<span style="font-size: 1pt; color: white;" class="">As much as I hate to point out your grammatical error, Todd, I shall. The sentence toward the end stating “ none of them were” should be “ none of them was” because the subject is singular. Sent from Terri’s
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As much as I hate to point out your grammatical error, Todd, I shall. The sentence toward the end stating “<span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: white;" class=""> none of them were” should be “ none of them was” because the subject is singular.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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On Apr 29, 2022, at 1:06 PM, Todd, James via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">When I first started out in the field before the internet was invented, the copy editors would hand edit manuscripts and send them back for approval. Sometimes they would include brief lectures on the "correct" usage
of various words, such as which and that, between and among, etc., usually accompanied by a xeroxed page from a style manual. I was terrorized by those lectures. They made me feel like I was in a 7<sup class="">th</sup> grade English class again. At some point
I submitted a paper that had several sentences in the subjunctive mood (e.g., If hypothesis A were true, we would expect cats to fall from the sky, but if hypothesis B were true, we would expect the falling animals to be sharks. The copy editor changed each
instance of were to was. I could not resist the temptation. I sent back a letter in the most pedantic tone I could muster that said: In English, when speaking about hypotheticals, we use the subjunctive mood, and I included the relevant page from Strunk ad
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<b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>visionlist <<a href="mailto:visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com</a>>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, April 28, 2022 6:31 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Johnson, Chris A <<a href="mailto:chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu</a>>; vabillock <<a href="mailto:vabillock@att.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vabillock@att.net</a>><br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [visionlist] [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1pt; color: white;" class="">Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence (usually when the clause is set off by commas). The general
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<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence (usually when the clause is set off by commas). The
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>>
on behalf of Johnson, Chris A via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM<br class="">
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<b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br class="">
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<span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class="">I just had a paper published in JOV, and I have both e.g. and i.e. multiple times in my paper (final version, not edited out).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<b class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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