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To all you adherents of language prescriptivism out there, you may or may not enjoy this interview of Andy Rooney by Ali G (Sasha Baron Cohen). It appears Andy forgot that that the word "media" is plural. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2022 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karen Gunther <guntherk@wabash.edu>; Todd, James <todd.44@osu.edu>; Brian A. BARSKY <barsky@berkeley.edu>; Lewis, Terri <lewistl@mcmaster.ca><br>
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I love “all y’all” and must try and use it in a paper one day! cheers Bob Professor of Psychology, University of Durham. Deputy Director of the Durham Centre for Visual Arts and Culture.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">I love “all y’all” and must try and use it in a paper one day!</span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, 29 April 2022 at 20:35<br>
<b>To: </b>Todd, James <todd.44@osu.edu>, Brian A. BARSKY <barsky@berkeley.edu>, Lewis, Terri <lewistl@mcmaster.ca><br>
<b>Cc: </b>cvnet@mail.ewind.com <cvnet@mail.ewind.com>, visionlist@visionscience.com <visionlist@visionscience.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">“You” used to only refer to multiple people, but now we use it all the time in the singular. And yet we say to one person “you are doing this”, not “you is doing this”. “They” is following down that path, for people
who do not wish to be put into a gender binary. “They are” is becoming more accepted to refer to just a single person. I don’t know how many need to accept it for it to become “correct”. (And not even getting into y’all, or all y’all.)</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> cvnet <cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Todd, James via cvnet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2022 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian A. BARSKY <barsky@berkeley.edu>; Lewis, Terri <lewistl@mcmaster.ca><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cvnet@mail.ewind.com; visionlist@visionscience.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">At what point does grammatically "incorrect" usage become grammatical as it is adopted by more and more of the population -- 50%, 75%, 100% ? </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Brian A. BARSKY <<a href="mailto:barsky@berkeley.edu">barsky@berkeley.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2022 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Todd, James <<a href="mailto:todd.44@osu.edu">todd.44@osu.edu</a>>; Lewis, Terri <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">“None are” is just one of many examples of common American usage which is grammatically incorrect. Inserting “of them” after “none” does not change the fact that “none”
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">“None are” is just one of many examples of common American usage which is grammatically incorrect.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Inserting “of them” after “none” does not change the fact that “none” is a singular.</span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>> on behalf of Todd, James via cvnet
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Lewis, Terri <<a href="mailto:lewistl@mcmaster.ca">lewistl@mcmaster.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>,
<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black; background:white">I'm sure you are both correct in terms of formal grammar, but "none of them was removed" sounds weird to my ear, because "was" immediately
follows "them". I'd be curious to know statistically what form of the verb the average speaker of English would use in that context. The verb change associated with the subjunctive is also grammatically correct, but most English speakers do not use it, at
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2022 1:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Todd, James <<a href="mailto:todd.44@osu.edu">todd.44@osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian Timney <<a href="mailto:timney@uwo.ca">timney@uwo.ca</a>>; Johnson, Chris A <<a href="mailto:chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu">chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu</a>>; vabillock <<a href="mailto:vabillock@att.net">vabillock@att.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>;
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">As much as I hate to point out your grammatical error, Todd, I shall. The sentence toward the end stating “ none of them were” should be “ none of them
was” because the subject is singular. Sent from Terri’s iPhone </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt; font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"; color:white">🌸</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">
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<span lang="EN-US">As much as I hate to point out your grammatical error, Todd, I shall. The sentence toward the end stating “</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black; background:white"> none of them were” should be “ none of them was”
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<span lang="EN-US">On Apr 29, 2022, at 1:06 PM, Todd, James via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">When I first started out in the field before the internet was invented, the copy editors would hand edit manuscripts and send them back for approval.
Sometimes they would include brief lectures on the "correct" usage of various words, such as which and that, between and among, etc., usually accompanied by a xeroxed page from a style manual. I was terrorized by those lectures. They made me feel like I was
in a 7<sup>th</sup> grade English class again. At some point I submitted a paper that had several sentences in the subjunctive mood (e.g., If hypothesis A were true, we would expect cats to fall from the sky, but if hypothesis B were true, we would expect
the falling animals to be sharks. The copy editor changed each instance of were to was. I could not resist the temptation. I sent back a letter in the most pedantic tone I could muster that said: In English, when speaking about hypotheticals, we use the subjunctive
mood, and I included the relevant page from Strunk ad White. Of course, I knew that the subjunctive mood is gradually disappearing from English, but that small bit defiance gave me great pleasure. </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">I also have a recent paper in JOV with many instances of e.g. and i.e. and none of them were removed. Perhaps they hired someone new who is on a mission
to strip Latin phrases from scientific writing. My advice Qasim is to just put them back before you accept the editorial changes. It is, after all, your paper!</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> visionlist <<a href="mailto:visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com">visionlist-bounces@visionscience.com</a>>
on behalf of Brian Timney <<a href="mailto:timney@uwo.ca">timney@uwo.ca</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 6:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Johnson, Chris A <<a href="mailto:chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu">chris-a-johnson@uiowa.edu</a>>; vabillock <<a href="mailto:vabillock@att.net">vabillock@att.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [visionlist] [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence
(usually when the clause is set off by commas). The general rule is that if you can remove
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Lots of people misuse “which” , which I understand. But it is appropriate when it is referring to something incidental to the meaning of the sentence
(usually when the clause is set off by commas). The general rule is that if you can remove the clause without changing the meaning of the sentence, “which” is appropriate.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian Timney</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>> on behalf of Johnson, Chris A via
cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Vincent Billock <<a href="mailto:vabillock@att.net">vabillock@att.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a> <<a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>>,
<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a> <<a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">visionlist@visionscience.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cvnet] [External] Re: Abbreviations</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Many years ago the editor for the American Journal of Ophthalmology changed every which to that, made the presentation be in first person (even with multiple authors),
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">On Apr 28, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Vincent Billock via cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet@lawton.ewind.com</a>> wrote:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">'et alia' is lovely. Maybe I'll try slipping that in next time.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"; color:#26282A">On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 3:30:49 PM EDT, Karen Gunther <<a href="mailto:guntherk@wabash.edu">guntherk@wabash.edu</a>> wrote:
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:#26282A">I just had a paper published in JOV, and I have both e.g. and i.e. multiple times in my paper (final version, not edited out).</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:#26282A">I would LOVE to change “et al.” to “et alia”. Students never know where the period goes. And “al.” is hardly any shorter than “alia”.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica Neue"; color:#26282A"> cvnet <<a href="mailto:cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com">cvnet-bounces@lawton.ewind.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Qasim Zaidi via cvnet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cvnet@mail.ewind.com">cvnet@mail.ewind.com</a>; <a href="mailto:visionlist@visionscience.com">
visionlist@visionscience.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cvnet] Abbreviations</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:#26282A">Does anyone know why "e.g." and "i.e." are being edited out of journals, especially JOV? They're well understood concise short-hand for cumbersome longer phrases, so I would like to understand the objections to using
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:#26282A">Thanks</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:#26282A">Qasim Zaidi PhD<br>
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