<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi Jorge, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Echoing Tomas Knapen's excellent discussion (and work!), you might also be interested in the discussion in:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Linton, P. (2021), ‘V1 as an Egocentric Cognitive Map’, <i class="">Neuroscience of Consciousness</i><span style="font-style: normal;" class="">, 2021(2), 17:</span></div><div class=""><a href="https://academic.oup.com/nc/article/2021/2/niab017/6369785" class="">https://academic.oup.com/nc/article/2021/2/niab017/6369785</a> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks so much, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 26 Sep 2023, at 16:15, Tomas Knapen <<a href="mailto:tknapen@gmail.com" class="">tknapen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Hi Jorge,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We recently wrote a review about exactly this issue, prompted by a slew of recent studies showing coding of visual space throughout the brain (1). This builds on many ideas, also from the ones you’re citing. I personally love Koenderink earlier work on this subject too (2).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Interesting directions (again, personal opinion) are how different regions have specific biases in the representation of visual space, like in Uri Hasson’s earlier work (3). And, recent ideas by Mike Arcaro and Marge Livingstone about how different sensory topographies relate to one another (4). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hope this helps, would love to discuss more.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tomas</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="csl-entry" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="csl-left-margin">1.</span><span class="csl-right-inline">Groen, I. I. A., Dekker, T. M., Knapen, T. & Silson, E. H. Visuospatial coding as ubiquitous scaffolding for human cognition. <i class="">Trends Cogn Sci</i> (2021) doi:10.1016/j.tics.2021.10.011.</span></div><div class="csl-entry" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="csl-left-margin">2.</span><span class="csl-right-inline">Koenderink, J. J. The brain a geometry engine. <i class="">Psychological Res</i> <b class="">52</b>, 122–127 (1990).</span></div><div class="csl-entry" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="csl-left-margin">3.</span><span class="csl-right-inline">Hasson, U., Levy, I., Behrmann, M., Hendler, T. & Malach, R. Eccentricity Bias as an Organizing Principle for Human High-Order Object Areas. <i class="">Neuron</i> <b class="">34</b>, 479–490 (2002).</span></div><div class="csl-entry" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="csl-left-margin">4.</span><span class="csl-right-inline">Arcaro, M. J. & Livingstone, M. S. On the relationship between maps and domains in inferotemporal cortex. <i class="">Nat Rev Neurosci</i> <b class="">22</b>, 573–583 (2021).</span></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""></div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 26 Sep 2023, at 20:23, Jorge Almeida <<a href="mailto:jorgecbalmeida@gmail.com" class="">jorgecbalmeida@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Just some context that I should have given (sorry!!!). This comes from 1) the beautiful discussions on the functional role of retinotopy for instance between people like Jon Kaas and others (e.g., "Kaas, J (1997). Topographic maps are fundamental to sensory processing. Brain Research Bulletin, 44(2), 107-112. vs. Weinberg, R. (1997). Are topographic maps fundamental to sensory processing?
Brain Research Bulletin, 44(2), 113-116.); and 2) trying to understand how, in general, topographic maps such as retinotopy can be important functionally (and not just neurally) and can guide our understanding of how the mind works (at different levels of abstraction). Thank you all so much!<div class="">jorge almeida</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 11:51 PM Jorge Almeida <<a href="mailto:jorgecbalmeida@gmail.com" class="">jorgecbalmeida@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Dear all,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I was wondering if some of you can point me to a set of papers (or just send out some ideas) on whether and how the fact that we show that visual cortex is organized in a retinotipic map (or tonotopy in auditory cortex) is important in understanding how vision works/the brain allows for visual processes.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">That is, is there a function for retinotopy as it comes to vision? How does showing retinotopic maps tell us anything about how vision works (mostly we focus on things like reducing connections and thus saving energy)? How does it impact visual processing? What have we learnt about visual cognition from retinotopy? Perhaps even, are there visual effects that are a consequence of retinotopy?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Sorry if the formulation of the question is not super clear and thanks in advance!</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Jorge Almeida</div></div>
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