[visionlist] Beall's List gone dark

Thu Jan 26 15:29:57 EST 2017

Agreeing with Brian.

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From: cvnet-bounces at mail.ewind.com <cvnet-bounces at mail.ewind.com> on behalf of Brian White <brian.white at queensu.ca>
Sent: January-26-17 11:57:28 AM
To: Sebastiaan Mathot; John Pezaris
Cc: cvnet; visionlist at visionscience.com
Subject: [cvnet] RE: [visionlist] Beall's List gone dark

Both lists are potentially useful, if for nothing else but to help non-experts/lay-public decide the reputability of some study they are reading about.
But, scientists should have learned to be critical enough to question the legitimacy of a Journal before submitting there, and if not, I would assume they would at least ask their peers.

-Brian

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From: visionlist [mailto:visionlist-bounces at visionscience.com] On Behalf Of Sebastiaan Mathot
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:14 PM
To: John Pezaris
Cc: cvnet; visionlist at visionscience.com
Subject: Re: [visionlist] Beall's List gone dark

 > I'm wondering if some professional society might take up the mantle and continue it, somehow.

The directory of open-access journals (http://doaj.org/) is in effect such a resource. Although it takes the opposite approach: listing journals that it considers legit, rather than blacklisting those it doesn't. I think that's much more constructive that Beall's list.

On 26/01/2017 17:55, John Pezaris wrote:
> I'd prefer to avoid personal attacks on a scientific mailing list.
>
> Beall's list was an important resource.  I'm wondering if some
> professional society might take up the mantle and continue it,
> somehow.  The problem is that it would seem any society sufficiently
> large enough to devote the necessary resources (and fight any
> potential legal consequences) would have its own publication and
> therefore an inherent conflict of interest.  Does anyone have ideas on
> how to avoid that scenario?
>
> - J.
>
>
>
> On 1/26/17, Sebastiaan Mathot <s.mathot at cogsci.nl> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Let's not glorify Jeffrey Beall too much (or at all). His list was
>> useful, but it was never healthy that such an important resource was
>> curated by a single nutcase. To illustrate, let me quote from one his
>> papers:
>>
>>
>> /"The open-access movement is really about anti-corporatism. OA
>> advocates want to make collective everything and eliminate private
>> business, except for small businesses owned by the disadvantaged.
>> They don't like the idea of profit, even though many have a large
>> portfolio of mutual funds in their retirement accounts that invest in
>> for-profit companies."/
>>
>>
>> And so on, and so on. Is that the kind of guy we want to depend on?
>> No thanks.
>>
>>
>> And yes, he actually wrote this! In an obscure open-access journal,
>> ironically.
>>
>>
>> - http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/525/514
>>
>>
>> Michael Eisen wrote an interesting blog about this:
>>
>>
>> - http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1500
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sebastiaan
>>
>>
>> On 26/01/2017 14:30, John Neuhoff wrote:
>>> Losing Beall's list is really unfortunate, particularly for new
>>> scholars. There is some talks that Cabell's International is
>>> developing a similar list based, in part, on Beall's list. See:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cabells.com/about-us
>>>
>>>
>>> There is some speculation that these two events are related (though
>>> this has been denied by Cabell's). See also the efforts of Dr.
>>> Eugene Noolah, a fictional character that has gotten himself
>>> appointed to the editorial boards of several predatory journals.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/Dr.Noolah/
>>>
>>>
>>> -JN
>>>
>>> ___________________________
>>> John G. Neuhoff
>>> Department of Psychology
>>> The College of Wooster
>>> http://jneuhoff.com
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* visionlist <visionlist-bounces at visionscience.com> on behalf
>>> of Hans Strasburger <strasburger at uni-muenchen.de>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:02 AM
>>> *To:* cvnet; visionlist at visionscience.com
>>> *Subject:* [visionlist] Beall's List gone dark Dear fellow CVNetters
>>> and Visionlisters,
>>>
>>> Some of you may have already noticed but I only just found out:
>>> Beall's List of potential predatory publishers and journals has disappeared.
>>> It's just gone. We can imagine why this has happened but in any case
>>> I find it highly disturbing. Beall's List may not have been perfect
>>> but it has been tremendously helpful to me over the years, to sort
>>> out all those treacherous invitations I got, and still get, on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> http://retractionwatch.com/2017/01/17/bealls-list-potential-predator
>>> y-publishers-go-dark/
>>>
>>> Note, though, that a snapshot of both the publishers list and
>>> journals list are still mirrored on the web (details in that link),
>>> so it is still time to download them (ASAP).
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> www.hans.strasburger.de<http://www.hans.strasburger.de> <http://www.hans.strasburger.de> Hans
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